07 July 2010

Introns. Let's think about this, people. Part III.

What does it mean to claim that an intron has a function?

The question is obviously important, at least as long as there are disputes about whether introns have "functions" and whether science ignored them for decades.

Now, I can't help the ID people with their propensity for repeating falsehoods about the history of "junk DNA" and the role of "Darwinism" in its characterization. But I do think we can move a little closer together on this intron thing. So, first a discussion of the types of functions that are associated with introns then some comments on my specific dispute with Richard Sternberg.

1. Introns facilitate alternative splicing.

Richard Sternberg's piece at that obnoxious propaganda mill does have a nice description of the process of alternative splicing. He describes it as follows:
What is alternative splicing? Imagine that the initial RNA derived from its DNA template has the organization A—B—C—D—E—F, where the letters represent blocks that specify amino acid sequences and the dashes in between the letters stand for introns. Alternative splicing enables multiple proteins to be constructed given the same RNA precursor, say, ABCDF, ACDEF, BCDEF, and so forth. In this way, hundreds or thousands of proteins can be derived from a single gene.
Yes, that's alternative splicing. Because the coding sequence is divided into chunks (those are the "blocks that specify amino acid sequences" and they're called exons), it can be stitched together in different ways. It's not clear how much of this capacity is actually used by cells, but the capacity is there, and the existence of introns is one reason why.

So is that a "function" of introns? Well, sure, but Richard Sternberg was wrong to think that pointing to alternative splicing would suffice as a refutation of the argument that I and others make when ID apologists argue that introns are "functional." First off, he should have known that I am well aware of alternative splicing. I've discussed the issue with Mike Gene, who proposes that introns facilitated the evolution of multicellular life. But more importantly, he's ignoring the real challenge: the existence of alternative splicing doesn't explain the size of introns, and the vastness of "intron space" in the human genome isn't accounted for, even to the most trivial extent, by splicing and splice codes. As I explained in the last post, introns vary enormously in size, and the average human intron is hundreds of times bigger than it needs to be in order to provide splice junctions and the signals that trigger alternative splicing.

And we have good reason to think that intron size is completely irrelevant to the function of alternative splicing. This is a point that Mike Gene has figured out, to his credit: the splice junctions, created in part by the presence of introns, are the elements that are conserved in related species. The introns themselves are typically poorly conserved. (Think about the jarring size difference between the human and chicken versions of the Factor VIII gene; the introns are far smaller in the chicken gene, but both genes have exactly the same number of them, meaning that both genes have the same number of splice junctions.)

Yes, introns facilitate alternative splicing. We all knew that. What we don't know is what the remaining 99+% of intronic sequence is doing, and why it seems to be largely dispensable for normal biological function.

2. Introns harbor functional non-coding DNA elements.

Genomes contain lots of interesting components – usually tiny compared to genes and other elements – that are involved in the control of gene expression. These are stretches of sequence that may be markers, or codes, that say "make more of this" or "make less of that" in a code that will only be read under certain circumstances (like, say, in a nerve cell). Or they may be made into microRNAs, which can control the levels of production of particular proteins. (Some of the "genes" that encode microRNAs have been known for many years, but only in the last decade have their mode of operation and their full number been worked out.) Or they may be made into other kinds of RNA that can influence gene expression in various other ways.

And all of those things have been found in introns. In a small number of cases, these intronic elements have been shown to exert significant influences on gene expression, development, or metabolism. A recent issue of Science included two reports on one such example, and that's a sign of how rarely such functional connections are made – commonplace observations are not featured in Science.

How much more of intron space is accounted for by these functional elements? No one knows, but let's try this for a quick estimate. Let's say that each human intron contains three such elements, for a total of 600,000 of them. And let's say that the functional elements average 100 base pairs in length. Both of those estimates seem quite high to me, based on the current literature; again, the number of elements known to influence development or function is very low. But let's go with our estimate: it leads to a total of 6o million base pairs in intron space that would be postulated to have function. How big is intron space? In humans, it's around 768 million base pairs.

3. Introns may regulate the speed of the process of gene expression.

Are there other ways in which introns may exert "function"? One idea is that the insertion of these huge intervening regions can slow down the transcription process, resulting in a means by which introns can influence gene expression just by being there. Sort of like a speed bump. And perhaps related, genes that are used a lot (because they're expressed at high levels in all sorts of cells) tend to have really small introns. We'll come back to that observation in the next post.

Well then, what is it that Richard Sternberg and I disagree about? It's hard to tell. He interpreted my criticism of Steve Meyer incorrectly, and assumed that I am unaware of alternative splicing and of the existence of various types of regulatory elements that appear in introns. I hope he agrees that the anti-"Darwinian" narrative told by many of his Discovery Institute colleagues is nonsense, and if not then we do have a serious problem. But maybe he's inclined to think that a dominant fraction of the vast bulk of intron space is devoted to specific functions. That wouldn't make him stupid, and in fact it would put him in the company of the true Darwinists, an irony that none of his propagandizing fellow travelers seems willing to acknowledge. (Corrections on this count are most welcome.) What it does mean is that he has a lot of work to do. The human genome contains an enormous amount of intron space, and it's not even a particularly large genome as they come.

So, Richard Sternberg, we can agree to disagree about the potential functional relevance of intron space and of the one-third of the human genome composed of transposable elements and their debris. But there's really no room for a claim that the human genome is a tightly-organized system for information storage and retrieval, based on a few reports of "function" for some non-coding DNA elements. There are good reasons to doubt that conclusion, just based on what we know about introns. We'll deal with that in the next post.

19 comments:

RBH said...

Um, I mean references to "true Darwinists" who make the "dominant fraction" claim.

Arthur Hunt said...

Methinks Steve has fallen under Larry Moran's spell :-). There truly can be no hope ....

(firmly TIC this comment is.)

Michaelb said...

Interesting piece Steve!!

scordova of UD said...

Functions can exist in specific contexts which we do not observe right now primarily because of the amount of observation that may be required to detect it.

Differing cell types are involved in various stages of development and even possibly the plascticity of the organism. Further, function might be elucidated by contingencies that may not be immediately accessible.

For example, butterflies may have at least two if not more proteomes expressed from the same genome. There is a proteome for the catarpillar (larval form) stage and a separate proteome for the adult stage.

Further, there are Batesian mimicry forms that are latent and not expressed in some individuals of the species, but these are carried around for generations and not used except in certain contexts.

Thus we have lots of DNA carried around for known contingencies (like the multi-proteomes of the butterfly plus its mimcry forms). Not to mention there may be contingencies which we've even yet to explore (biology is very robust, and thus knockout experiments are notorious for presuming something is non functional, when indeed it is part of an alternative developmental or functional mechanism).

All this in addition to the fact we may have the potential of positionally differentiated cell types. Till we explore those, we can't rule out where the information for the differentiation came from, it may well be in places we presume are functionless. And if the information is specifically used in differentiation, we'll only see it work during the differentiation process, and for humans with 1,000,000,000,000 differentiated cell types, that means that event only happens roughly speaking in around 1 in 1,000,000,000,000 duplication events! So it is eminently possible even if something is functional and part of cellular differentiation, we will have to be extremely lucky to actually see it happen, since the function will occur only 1 in 1,000,000,000 cellular duplication events!

It is extremely presumptuous to say something has no function because we haven't observed it working. We haven't even begun to see all the workings of cells in multi-cellular organisms. It is even more presumptuous to say that knockout experiments demonstrate lack of function. That's like knocking out the backup navigation of the space shuttle and observing that it flies just fine.

Davis said...

Sal wrote:
"Functions can exist in specific contexts which we do not observe right now primarily because of the amount of observation that may be required to detect it."

So why is our side doing all the observing and your side doing none of the observing, Sal?

derwood said...

"... and for humans with 1,000,000,000,000 differentiated cell types..."

1,000,000,000,000 TYPES of cells? The sources I looked up indicate that humans have about 100,000,000,000,000 cells total.

So, are you saying that there are only about 100 cells per cell type, or are you using that ID/YEC math/biology again?
because just this morning I was looking at slides of endocrine glands, and in the thyroid slide alone, I am sure I saw far more than 100 thyrocytes...

Rich Deem said...

Not sure what literature you have been reading/not reading, but the ENCODE project showed that the majority of all DNA is transcribed (http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v447/n7146/full/nature05874.html). The idea that introns are just sitting there because evolution is so inefficient makes no sense. In fact, the introns do control alternate splicing through upstream splicing enhancers within the sequence. Besides this, they contain CpG sites that are methylated/demethylated to control transcription. If this isn't function, what is?

Stepping back to look at the big picture, one sees that the bacteria do not possess all the intronic/"junk" baggage. If we are all evolved from bacteria, there has to be a reason why the vast amount of complexity was introduced into the system. It has to have a function or it would not have been selected and would not persist. Most scientists got off the junk DNA boat a long time ago.

SWT said...

You do realize, don't you, that the Nature article you linked to is about three years old; there is more recent work available. You might want to check out a discussion of more recent results that took place at the Panda's Thumb last May.

SWT said...

Hey, what are nine or ten orders of magnitude among friends ...

SWT said...

You do realize, don't you, that the Nature article you linked to is three years old, and that more recent work is available? You might want to check out, for example, the article that was discussed at Panda's Thumb last May.

SteveMatheson said...

Well, Rich, it appears that you are so busy reading the scientific literature that you couldn't find the time to read my post. Worse, you're clearly over your head when reading about evolution, as evidenced by your recitation of ignorant platitudes. Please take the the preachy propaganda elsewhere; many of my readers are not as easily fooled as yours must be.

Arthur Hunt said...

Oops, forgot to close that italics tag. The last bit should read:

If we are all evolved from bacteria, there has to be a reason why the vast amount of complexity was introduced into the system.

No, there doesn't.

It has to have a function or it would not have been selected and would not persist.

This logic falls flat if one considers that it is likely harder or more costly to remove junk DNA in the course of evolution than to simply live with it.

derwood said...

Hi Rich,

You don't still have that claim that there is no evidence for positive selection on your website, do you? The one in which you relied on the little teaser blurb in Nature to claim that there is no such evidence, and ignored the fact that the teaser referred to a paper in that very issue in which such evidence was presented?

Anyway, I see you are on the YEC/ID bandwagon of trying to e-write the history on junkDNA to suit your needs. Too bad that the facts do not support the YEC/ID fantasy on that.

derwood said...

Especially when you've got a faith to prop up... :)

derwood said...

I've never really found that whole line of 'reasoning' valid - that if junkDNA didn't do something, then we would have gotten rid of it. I didn't agree with Maynard Smith when I read that position the first time, and considering the energy expenditure required for DNA replication compared with the energy a typical cell uses just getting stuff across its membrane every day, I personally think that whole issue is way oversold.

Davis said...

Rich, the chance of you ever stepping back to look at the big picture (like, say, the hundreds of violations of the Ninth Commandment on your site) is pretty much zero, as is the chance of your engaging in honest discussion of any substantive point.

chunkdz said...

So can we eat Sternberg's liver now?

kakapo said...

Chunk,

You do realize that if you keep acting like this Sloth is not going to love you any more.

chunkdz said...

Silence, fool.